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  • So I rewatched Dreamscaperers and noticed that the Stan (let's call him Stan X) in Lee's flashback doesn't really look like either Lee or Ford. Stan X has Ford's glasses, even though it's Lee's flashback. Also, as the Stans grow up, their chins turn from round to square, and Ford's chin has a cleft. X still has a rounded chin, which is strange. Another thing — you can tell from the outfits in the picture of the older Stan X that it's the 50's (from the poodle skirt and biker looks), whereas in the start of'A tale of two Stans' when the Stans are young and playing on the beach, Lee mentions that this was in "nineteen-sixty-something".

    This means that Stan X was in his late teens in 1950, but Lee and Ford were Tweens or pretweens in the 1960s, which definitely doesn't line up.

    I find it odd how the writers/artists would miss something like this, UNLESS it was intentional, meaning we have a whole new mystery on our hands. It could be that none of it ever happened, and Grunkle Stanley just made up that story to tell Dipper, but then why would Stan X look so different?

    We know now that Lee didn't wear glasses until Ford disappeared, which means Stan X could be Ford, but only Lee had blotchy skin like Stan X, so it could be Lee. The flashback is about Lee telling Dipper about how he was pushed by his father to start boxing, and even though he hated it, it toughened him up. However, we know from 'A tale of two Stans' that Ford has "brains" and Lee has "the other thing...punching" and this was when they were very young so it was obvious that Lee was never nerdy or wimpy or whatever, unlike Stan X. So far, Ford resembled Stan X the most. We know that Lee pretended to be Ford, but Stan X lacks Ford's defining features such as his cleft chin and six fingers.

    What do you guys think of all this? Was it intentional, or just odd planning?

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    • I'm gonna say that "Stan X" is definitely Lee. For the glasses thing there could be several explanations. My guess is that Lee wears the glasses during the school year but not during the summer. And for the different appearance, I think this is because we were seeing him through Lee's memory in "Dreamscaperers", and he was telling a story of how he was wimpy, meaning the memory was tinted with his idea of wimpiness.

      And Lee appeared to be 6-8 when he took up boxing, and he was 10-12 in the flashback, which was well after he gained "punching".

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    • I think he always seemed like a kind of rough and tumble kind of person, as he always seems to be injured, i.e. covered in band aids.

      Maybe the entire thing was completely made up?

      Seriously though, he looked way more like Ford.

      There's got to be an explanation. They even had Ford as early as The Time Traveller's Pig. Maybe they hadn't thought about how he'd looked in the past?

      There are also some major differences between Lee and X in build. Lee at that age was burly, but X was stringy

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    • LilMarcy5678 wrote: There are also some major differences between Lee and X in build. Lee at that age was burly, but X was stringy

      "That age"? It's different ages you are describing.

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    • I'd say it's probably just Stanley at a younger age, considering he was the one reminiscing. The discrepancy in appearance can be chalked up to him being younger in that flashback than at the start of "A Tale of Two Stans." Alternate character designs can be inconsistent, too. For example, Deputy Durland's haircut when he takes of his hat: brown buzz in "The Deep End," and shaved in "Northwest Mansion Mystery."

      Also, Stan's flashback in "Boyz Crazy" didn't take place in the '50s. He specifically explains that the memory took place in the '70s, but the restaurant was '50s themed.

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    • Honestly I think it was Stan getting closer to completing the portal, that blue light and familiar background look familiar too you? I know... this short.. Anyways, let's play decode that message!


      I've found a message sent to me by a reddit user BillCipher or something and gave me this :P


      01000111010011110100111101000100001000000100011101001111010010010100111001000111001000000101000001001001010011100100010100101101010101000101001001000101010001010010110000100000010010010010000001010111010000010100111001010100001000000101010001001111001000000101000001001111010100110100010101010011010100110010000001011001010011110101010101010010001000000100001001001111010001000101100100100000010001010101011001000101010011100010000001001101010011110101001001000101001011000010000001011001010011110101010100100000010001100100111101010101010011100100010000100000010101000100100001000101001000000100111101001100010001000010000001001101010000010100111000100000010010010100111000100000010110010100111101010101010100100010000001000010010000010101001101000101010011010100010101001110010101000010000001000001010011100100010000100000010010000101010101001110010001110010000001001111010101010101010000100000010101110100100101010100010010000010000001001000010010010100110100100000010010010100111000100000010101000100100001000001010101000010000001010111010001010100100101010010010001000010000001000111010000010100110101000101001000000101011101001001010101000100100000100000010101000100100001000101001000000100100001001111010101000010000001000101010011000100011000101110001000000100010001000001010100100100101100100000010101000100100101001101010001010101001100100000010000010101000001010000010100100100111101000001010000110100100001000101010100110010000100100000010000100101010101010100001000000100101101001110010011110101011100100000010101000100100001001001010100110010110000100000010010000100000101010110010001010100111000100111010101000010000001001101010000010101001101010100010001010101001001000101010001000010000001001000010101010100110101000001010011100010000001000101010011010100111101010100010010010100111101001110010100110010000001011001010001010101010000101100001000000100001001010101010101000010000001010111010010000100010101001110001000000100100100100000010001000100111100100000010010010010000001010100010010000100100101001110010010110010000001010111010010010100111001001011010110010010000001000110010100100100111101010111010011100010000001010111010010010100110001001100001000000100001001000101001000000100100001000001010011100100010001011001

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    • Shadow Juan wrote:
      Honestly I think it was Stan getting closer to completing the portal, that blue light and familiar background look familiar too you? I know... this short.. Anyways, let's play decode that message!


      I've found a message sent to me by a reddit user BillCipher or something and gave me this :P


      01000111010011110100111101000100001000000100011101001111010010010100111001000111001000000101000001001001010011100100010100101101010101000101001001000101010001010010110000100000010010010010000001010111010000010100111001010100001000000101010001001111001000000101000001001111010100110100010101010011010100110010000001011001010011110101010101010010001000000100001001001111010001000101100100100000010001010101011001000101010011100010000001001101010011110101001001000101001011000010000001011001010011110101010100100000010001100100111101010101010011100100010000100000010101000100100001000101001000000100111101001100010001000010000001001101010000010100111000100000010010010100111000100000010110010100111101010101010100100010000001000010010000010101001101000101010011010100010101001110010101000010000001000001010011100100010000100000010010000101010101001110010001110010000001001111010101010101010000100000010101110100100101010100010010000010000001001000010010010100110100100000010010010100111000100000010101000100100001000001010101000010000001010111010001010100100101010010010001000010000001000111010000010100110101000101001000000101011101001001010101000100100000100000010101000100100001000101001000000100100001001111010101000010000001000101010011000100011000101110001000000100010001000001010100100100101100100000010101000100100101001101010001010101001100100000010000010101000001010000010100100100111101000001010000110100100001000101010100110010000100100000010000100101010101010100001000000100101101001110010011110101011100100000010101000100100001001001010100110010110000100000010010000100000101010110010001010100111000100111010101000010000001001101010000010101001101010100010001010101001001000101010001000010000001001000010101010100110101000001010011100010000001000101010011010100111101010100010010010100111101001110010100110010000001011001010001010101010000101100001000000100001001010101010101000010000001010111010010000100010101001110001000000100100100100000010001000100111100100000010010010010000001010100010010000100100101001110010010110010000001010111010010010100111001001011010110010010000001000110010100100100111101010111010011100010000001010111010010010100110001001100001000000100001001000101001000000100100001000001010011100100010001011001


      Translation: GOOD GOING PINE-TREE, I WANT TO POSESS YOUR BODY EVEN MORE, YOU FOUND THE OLD MAN IN YOUR BASEMENT AND HUNG OUT WITH HIM IN THAT WEIRD GAME WITH THE HOT ELF. DARK TIMES APPROACHES! BUT KNOW THIS, HAVEN'T MASTERED HUMAN EMOTIONS YET, BUT WHEN I DO I THINK WINKY FROWN WILL BE HANDY

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    • Bruh

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    • Each flashback had Stanley. Stanford was in the bleachers reading in the 1 at boxing school.

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    • Shadow Juan wrote:
      Bruh

      ???????

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    • LGQ

      "My memories get a little hallucination-y at the end, but you get the gist."

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    • An anonymous contributor
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